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  1. #1
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    Default [DENIED] Admin Abuse : Gokenin

    Accused Battle.Net account:Climax,Gokenin
    Your Battle.Net account: PRO_papoulis
    Game Name: nlqr
    Offence of Admin: Manners
    Time of event: genika
    Further details: Λοιπόν αρχίζουμε στο 10 έρχεται gang ο climax και χωρίς να ξέρω γιατί ενώ δεν έκανα κάτι λέει πάνχαζος του λέω εγώ και με λέει ναι του λέω γιατί και δεν απαντάει ε στην συνέχεια τον λέω και εγώ κάποια λόγια και συνεχίζει να με βρίζει μετά στο 29 ο Gokenin με ειρωνεύεται εγώ προσπαθώντας να κρατήσω την ψυχραιμία μου δεν του μιλάω και του λέω α με κάνει mute συνέχεια στο 36 με 37 κοροιδεύουν συνέχεια βέβαια και με δικές μου απαντήσεις ο Gokenin όμως συνεχίζει και του λέω σταμάτα δεν θέλω να μαλώσουμε και εκείνος συνεχίζει στο 45 αρχίζουν και με ειρωνεύονται πολύ και οι δύο και παίρνουν και μια δική μου απάντηση επειδή βαρέθηκα να τους ακούω κάνει mute εμένα και τον άλλον τον βλάκα o Gokenin αλλά βγαίνω από το mute και του λέω άλλη φορά να είναι πιο ήρεμος και τον αποκαλώ και κολόζωω με κάνει μ mute ο admin με βρίζει ο climax και ο admin κάνει ban μόνο εμένα και αυτόν ούτε mute Γενικά είναι σε όλο το game αλλά δεν τα γράφω γράφω μόνο αυτά με το replay έχω ένα πρόβλημα αλλά ελπίζω να το λύσω η να ανεβάσει κάποιος άλλος το replay Attachment 35327
    Last edited by PRO_papoulis; 09-08-2012 at 07:13 PM.

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

  2. #2
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    Mhn les mono ta dika sou. Ta mute ta ekana averta se kathe vrisidi mexri pou to parakanes. Epishs To "Eisai sovaros??" Dn pisteuw na einai eirwneia enw emeis kaname fight kai esy phges me roof kai ekanes ulti sthn WR mono. Anyway, bravo sou pou ekanes kai abuse gia na doune ligo to ti ekanes sto game + ta manners sou.


    Hi Climax!
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    kAvLoMiRiS: Dn eimai atomo pou dinei ksylo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla otan doso ginete Poli kako
    Climax: kserw
    Climax: eisai atomo p trwei ksilo
    kAvLoMiRiS: exo faei dn to krivo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla apo ta 15 fapes p exo paiksi stis 2 efaga
    Climax: se dimotiko tin eixes stisei e?
    

  3. #3
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    Έλα εγώ κάτι είπα στο τέλος του game στον βάρκα ο οποίος όπως και ο stay_tony απορούσαν για το ban και θα δούμε αν έχω δίκιο

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

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    Ennoeis auto pou eipes peri kone kai oti milises se auto to "kone" staff gia to unban? Ama theloun as se kanoun den me endiaferei kai poli .. To ban to ekana gia auta pou eipes. Argisa kai na to kanw, giati skeftomoun "na to kanw? h oxi?" giati lew oti eisoun neuriasmenos alla meta skeftika oti as eimai swstos pros olous.


    Hi Climax!
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    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla otan doso ginete Poli kako
    Climax: kserw
    Climax: eisai atomo p trwei ksilo
    kAvLoMiRiS: exo faei dn to krivo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla apo ta 15 fapes p exo paiksi stis 2 efaga
    Climax: se dimotiko tin eixes stisei e?
    

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    δεν λέω για αυτό ανίδεε αν είχα κονέ θα έκανα unban request ??????? Οτι και αυτοί απόρησαν με το ban εννοώ, και πες και τον φίλο σου να έρθει να postarei γιατί τον αφορά

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

  6. #6
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    Ma den htan allies na doune ti eleges, logiko na aporoun


    Hi Climax!
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    kAvLoMiRiS: Dn eimai atomo pou dinei ksylo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla otan doso ginete Poli kako
    Climax: kserw
    Climax: eisai atomo p trwei ksilo
    kAvLoMiRiS: exo faei dn to krivo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla apo ta 15 fapes p exo paiksi stis 2 efaga
    Climax: se dimotiko tin eixes stisei e?
    

  7. #7

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    Ma opoios exei peksei mazi sou pisteyw oti kserei oti eisai asxetos kai xazos vash tou gameplay sou.Kai fisika to eisai panxazos gia mia paparia pou ekanes sto fight den sigrenete me to "tha sou gamisw oti exeis kai den exeis" pou eipes esy kai logo aytou efages k to ban sou.Apla mas apodiknieis oti eisai akoma pio xazos genika kai oxi monosto gameplay sou.
    ''You win, you earn...You lose, you learn...''
    [Imba Dota Clan]

  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Stylish_Way View Post
    Ma opoios exei peksei mazi sou pisteyw oti kserei oti eisai asxetos kai xazos vash tou gameplay sou.Kai fisika to eisai panxazos gia mia paparia pou ekanes sto fight den sigrenete me to "tha sou gamisw oti exeis kai den exeis" pou eipes esy kai logo aytou efages k to ban sou.Apla mas apodiknieis oti eisai akoma pio xazos genika kai oxi monosto gameplay sou.
    Συγκρίνετε γιατί άλο να με βρίζεις εγω να μην σε μιλάω και εσυ να συνεχίζεις έχουμε και τα όρια μας και όσο για το game play χαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχαχα χαχα χαχ ε και τι έγινε

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

  9. #9
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    gia kai apo mena
    dn 8a pw tpt gia +/1 apla 8a pw kapoia logia


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    45:21 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): an
    45:23 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): leavares
    45:25 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): tha exie teliosei
    45:26 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): edw k wra
    45:28 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): a nai
    45:30 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): ksexasa
    45:33 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): egw ftaiw p xanoume
    45:41 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): climax
    45:45 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): parakalw
    45:46 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): eisai PRO ?
    45:56 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): oxi PRO_papouli
    45:57 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): dn eimai pro
    46:01 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): ala esy prepei na aytoktoniseis
    46:08 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): k na mn to ksanakoumpiseis pote
    46:09 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): stin zwh s
    46:31 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): gt tha m ekaneis ban?<-------:O o yperanw apo olous?


    auta apo merias climax...dn mporo na ta xaraktirisw manners
    alla anorimotita


    goal edw

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    46:44 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): vromostoke
    sinexizei kai trwei dikaiologimena mute
    46:48 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [Climax] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    ((((([23:46] <DotaApoToMelon> !checkadmin climax
    [23:46] <@DA-Bot> -> [NoL]: [climax] is an admin!))))) <----?---->

    47:26 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): ela apo edw re palio malakismeno mhn sou gamhsw oti exeis kai den exeis gamwzww milas ki olas theleis na sou pidiksw i oxi kar <----?
    ta prwta manners ....apo pro_papouli (kar dn kserw mallon karioli)
    47:34 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    episis mute
    an kai 8a eprepe kai ban edw gia manners


    sinexizoume me ...
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    50:23 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): thn epomenh fora na kseftese den milas se kanena filo sou ainte giati mperdepsame ton climax(kolozww) me ton PRO_papoulis ton propapouli se morfi rocky. kai ntah
    50:29 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): sks re stoke apantaei o sbatseneker
    50:35 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    50:35 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): !mute pro
    oute edw dn exoume ban .
    51:57 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): !ban pro_papoulis manners
    51:57 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was banned by player [GokeniN] on server [europe.battle.net].
    to kanei omos 1 lepto argotera



    akoma
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    55:00 [All] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): mhn anusixeis varka babe exw milisei kai tha paw gia post tha eimai unaban suntoma :**
    gia na doume poso sintoma me tis apeiles kai ta me tetoia simperifora

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotaApoToMelon View Post
    gia kai apo mena
    dn 8a pw tpt gia +/1 apla 8a pw kapoia logia


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    45:21 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): an
    45:23 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): leavares
    45:25 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): tha exie teliosei
    45:26 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): edw k wra
    45:28 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): a nai
    45:30 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): ksexasa
    45:33 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): egw ftaiw p xanoume
    45:41 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): climax
    45:45 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): parakalw
    45:46 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): eisai PRO ?
    45:56 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): oxi PRO_papouli
    45:57 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): dn eimai pro
    46:01 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): ala esy prepei na aytoktoniseis
    46:08 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): k na mn to ksanakoumpiseis pote
    46:09 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): stin zwh s
    46:31 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): gt tha m ekaneis ban?<-------:O o yperanw apo olous?


    auta apo merias climax...dn mporo na ta xaraktirisw manners
    alla anorimotita


    goal edw

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    46:44 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): vromostoke
    sinexizei kai trwei dikaiologimena mute
    46:48 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [Climax] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    ((((([23:46] <DotaApoToMelon> !checkadmin climax
    [23:46] <@DA-Bot> -> [NoL]: [climax] is an admin!))))) <----?---->

    47:26 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): ela apo edw re palio malakismeno mhn sou gamhsw oti exeis kai den exeis gamwzww milas ki olas theleis na sou pidiksw i oxi kar <----?
    ta prwta manners ....apo pro_papouli (kar dn kserw mallon karioli)
    47:34 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    episis mute
    an kai 8a eprepe kai ban edw gia manners


    sinexizoume me ...
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    50:23 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): thn epomenh fora na kseftese den milas se kanena filo sou ainte giati mperdepsame ton climax(kolozww) me ton PRO_papoulis ton propapouli se morfi rocky. kai ntah
    50:29 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): sks re stoke apantaei o sbatseneker
    50:35 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    50:35 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): !mute pro
    oute edw dn exoume ban .
    51:57 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): !ban pro_papoulis manners
    51:57 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was banned by player [GokeniN] on server [europe.battle.net].
    to kanei omos 1 lepto argotera



    akoma
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    55:00 [All] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): mhn anusixeis varka babe exw milisei kai tha paw gia post tha eimai unaban suntoma :**
    gia na doume poso sintoma me tis apeiles kai ta me tetoia simperifora
    Θα ρχήσω λέγοντας πως δεν έβαλες όλα τα δικά τους εκέι που τους λέω σταμάτα και συνεχίζουν

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

  11. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by PRO_papoulis View Post
    Θα ρχήσω λέγοντας πως δεν έβαλες όλα τα δικά τους εκέι που τους λέω σταμάτα και συνεχίζουν
    36:29 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): F\BD
    36:29 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): \WD
    36:35 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): EISA
    36:39 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): eisai sobaros les
    36:40 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): e?
    36:43 Stay_tOny (Undying) (5-8) was killed by vArKa (Venomancer) (2-5). Assist: PaH.Tofu (Krobelus)
    36:44 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): Ulti mono
    36:44 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): pali kala
    36:45 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): p eisai
    36:45 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): ton koinigate
    36:47 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): thn wr?
    36:48 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): pro papoulis
    36:49 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): 5 atoma
    37:02 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): kai ton kanw ulti na ton stamathsw kai gurnatre oloi kai feugete
    37:13 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): a sta @@ mou ki olas dld
    37:19 [Allies] Stay_tOny (Undying): cool re
    37:22 [Allies] Stay_tOny (Undying): pame pali
    37:29 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen):
    37:32 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): cool eimai
    37:37 [Allies] Stay_tOny (Undying): nice
    37:46 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): autoi me neuriazoun
    37:51 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): ma kaneis
    37:53 All[eyes]onme (Tuskarr) has acquired a Regeneration rune
    37:54 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): oti xeirotero
    37:55 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): mporeis
    37:56 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): se kathe
    37:57 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): stigmh
    38:07 All[eyes]onme (Tuskarr) has acquired a Illusion rune
    38:11 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): kai den me noiazie
    38:11 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): stamata den thelw na malosoume twra
    38:13 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): ama den kses kala
    38:16 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): apla
    38:18 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): einai ta vasika
    38:21 [Allies] GokeniN (Lycanthrope): auta p zhtaw
    38:24 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): SE LEW STAMATA
    38:30 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): MHN ME EKNEURIZEIS

    ???????????? se eipane kati kai tous les stamata dn katalabenw
    esi hsoun neurikos sto game ..
    kai giati re pedia oloi ta exete me tous climax kai gokenin
    dn katalabenw >>malon exw xaasei prohgoumena

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    Quote Originally Posted by PRO_papoulis View Post
    Εσυ έτσι πως σε κόβω ή είσαι καλός τους φίλος τους ή σε πληρώνουνε ή το χειρότερο είσαι βοτσιόζος ! Δεν βρίσκω άλλο λόγο να με λές γιατί τους είπα να σταματήσουν
    mporei na se trollarei ligo alla ok ti na se pw
    ama breis dika tous manners sto game
    diksta mou na katalabw kai egw ti ennoeis

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    goal edw

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    46:44 [Allies] Climax (Broodmother): vromostoke
    sinexizei kai trwei dikaiologimena mute
    46:48 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [Climax] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    ((((([23:46] <DotaApoToMelon> !checkadmin climax
    [23:46] <@DA-Bot> -> [NoL]: [climax] is an admin!))))) <----?---->

    47:26 [Allies] PRO_papoulis (Rooftrellen): ela apo edw re palio malakismeno mhn sou gamhsw oti exeis kai den exeis gamwzww milas ki olas theleis na sou pidiksw i oxi kar <----?
    ta prwta manners ....apo pro_papouli (kar dn kserw mallon karioli)
    47:34 [All] DA-SHEPHERD: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    episis mute
    an kai 8a eprepe kai ban edw gia manners
    Τι θέλεις να πεις με αυτό [PRO_papoulis] is an admin! και εγώ είμαι admin και ξέρεις εγώ δεν θα κάθομαι να με βρίζουν και να μην κάνω τίποτα έλα είπαμε άιντε να μην πω κάτι στην αρχή όχι άλλο όμως μετά ξεφεύγει

    [h_megalh_poutsa] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-05-15 (AP1355) because: [me gustas ban] [PERMANENT] The power of PRO_papoulis Hi fans
    [Eleos]: [ciose] was banned by [PRO_papoulis] on 2012-09-02 (AR66) because: [mannes] [PERMANENT]

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    Ma auto den katalaveneis, Oti emeis se vrizame gia tis malakies pou ekanes in-game ( ase pou den tis les kan vrisies to "stoke", "Sovarologeis??" kai to "malaka", alla auto pou eipes "tha sou gamisw oti exeis kai den exeis" ... nai to lew megalh vrisia pou aksize gia ban ektos apo mute. Btw, Auto pou eipe kapoios oti ekana to ban 1min argotera nomizw pws to apantisa sthn arxh ... oti skeftomoun ama aksize to ban h oxi. A kai mhn ksexasw, egw den anoikw se auto to community glyke mou file? h esy pou ftiaxneis kathe mera new account kai gamas ola ta games? Egw den xwraw se auto to community pou otan epeza egw edw esy den ikseres kan ti paei na pei h dota? Anyway ... Kalhmera den eipa nomizw


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    kAvLoMiRiS: Dn eimai atomo pou dinei ksylo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla otan doso ginete Poli kako
    Climax: kserw
    Climax: eisai atomo p trwei ksilo
    kAvLoMiRiS: exo faei dn to krivo
    kAvLoMiRiS: Alla apo ta 15 fapes p exo paiksi stis 2 efaga
    Climax: se dimotiko tin eixes stisei e?
    

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    Φτάνει, μέχρι εδώ!

    Closed μέχρι να εξεταστεί.

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    [Thu Aug 9 15:37:34 2012] [GAME: NLQr] (48:58) [Allies:0] [PRO_papoulis]: ela apo edw re palio malakismeno mhn sou gamhsw oti exeis kai den exeis gamwzww milas ki olas theleis na sou pidiksw i oxi kar
    [Thu Aug 9 15:37:42 2012] [GAME: NLQr] [Local]: Player [PRO_papoulis] was muted by player [GokeniN].
    [Thu Aug 9 15:39:42 2012] [GAME: NLQr] [Local]: Player [PRO_papoulis] automatically unmuted after 2 minutes.
    [Thu Aug 9 15:40:30 2012] [GAME: NLQr] (51:54) [Allies:0] [PRO_papoulis]: thn epomenh fora na kseftese den milas se kanena filo sou ainte giati mperdepsame ton climax(kolozww) me ton PRO_papoulis
    [Thu Aug 9 15:42:05 2012] [GAME: NLQr] (53:29) [Allies:0] [GokeniN]: !ban pro_papoulis manners

    Δεν σου έχει πει κανένας κάτι τραγικό, απλώς μιλάνε για το gameplay σου. Σε κάνει το πρώτο mute να ηρεμήσεις και αμέσως αφού βγαίνει, το συνεχίζεις χωρίς να έχει ειπωθεί κάτι παραπάνω. Το ban από τον admin PRO_papoulis αφαιρείται (έχουν περάσει ήδη πόσες μέρες) και δεν θα υπάρξει warn. Μάθετε να παίζετε ήρεμα.

    Climax, εσύ από την πλευρά σου σταμάτα να ασχολήσε τόσο με τους teammates σου. Δεν θα υπάρξουν πολλές ακόμα ευκαιρίες

    Denied

    Funny how falling feels a lot like flying

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